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HBIC | alejandrodvg wrote ... [/quote1244166961] Mandy I have to say that I for one totally agree with what you mentioned about a real Mastino... I also agree that the AKC has ruined many breeds. I was conversing just yesterday about Rotweilers and German sheperds in the AKC vs the rest of the world. I owned Rotties when I was a kid as wel as pitbulls and REAL German Sheperds were in many backyards where I am from. The German Sheperds were guards and actually had size and did work... Rotties I had were not allowed in the AKC since they didnt fit the AKC standard. They were too big... I was at a show a while back and I was talking to this attractive young handler with what I thought to be a puppy... I walked up to them and it was really nice acted just like a silly little puppy... i said your puppy is very sweet how old is it??? She turned and looked at me and said with an unhappy look like I just disrespected her mother " He is 3 yrs old"... This dog must have been at least 50 lbs... WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THEIR SIZE??????? German sheperds same ting and the colors are horrible!!!! not to mention these dogs are too nice... A real German Sheperd or Rottie will not let you near its family without warning you if its owner hasnt made it okay... I seriously will not breed for an AKC ring... And I will not sacrifice for the sissy temperaments just so Everyone can own one... If you train your mastino correctly and work it and make it confident you wont have an uncontrolable loaded weapon and therefore the Mastino will be what its really supposed to be... I can tell you I have one that will not guard.. Could care less about being a working dog... I will not breed that. Iwill not let anyone else breed to him either... Now I disagree with you about English Mastiffs not being guards as well as St Bernardos because I know breeders of these dogs and let me tell you they have what it takes to be guards also... Not all but they are supposed to be guard dogs as well... Same goes for Great Danes... But once again People breed for the AKC ring in this country with the exception of a handful of breeders. So you are right a mastino is not for just anyone and its not a friggin teddy bear and neither are mastiffs and St Bernards. If you want a teddy bear get a Labrador or a Beagle... And lets stop breeding the sissy dogs so everyone can have one. Alex I have to agree with you on the Sheperds and Rotties. My last Rottie I owned was 130 lb female. I have not seen any this size lately. We also have had the GSD and none of ours had the squaty rears, also our sheperds were bigger than what you see in the show ring today. No one could enter our home without us calming them down. In fact my last Sheperd was put down in Nov of 04 and she would not let anyone in the home. She was out of German imports, and did not favor the American version at all. As to the English, I have to agree too with Alex. They will guard, and do it well. I own two. I think the AKC almost ruined this breed a few years back when they were striving to breed a dryer mouth version. Their heads got small and did not have the look of the English. I agree with you Mandy, This breed the Neapolitan Mastiff should never be classed as a gentle giant. Those who do class them as that will wake up one day with an unruly teenager on their hands, and wont know what to do with them. I seen a very nice male that had to be put down at two because his owners had let him get out of hand. They thought they had a gentle giant, until he started attacking the mans wife and friends daily, even went after a two year old. I hope we are able to keep the true mastino temperament in the AKC. And remember, what we love about the breed is exactly what makes them not a dog for everyone. Starrsdcct Neapolitans UGM Admin Check out the links below Mastino Napoletano Photos Mastino Napoletano Links Mastino Napoletano Videos Mastino Napoletano Health Mastino Napoletano Chat Room | |||
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 | Mandy, You're word hits home. I have to admire the experience you have with this Breed. Thing I caution you with is that many of your references are out-dated. There are many lines above and beyond what you could expect from posting here. Thing is...I'm pretty sure you know that. Please don't be a stick in the mud with lines as times change. If you listen or care...thanks, Anthony <script type="text/javascript"><!-- google_ad_client = "pub-8540005283325832"; /* 728x90, created 17/04/09 */ google_ad_slot = "0692574383"; google_ad_width = 728; google_ad_height = 90; //--> </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js"> </script> | |||
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Anthony wrote ... Mandy, You're word hits home. I have to admire the experience you have with this Breed. Thing I caution you with is that many of your references are out-dated. There are many lines above and beyond what you could expect from posting here. Thing is...I'm pretty sure you know that. Please don't be a stick in the mud with lines as times change. If you listen or care...thanks, Well... I am not sure what particular references you are talking about but let me say this... I do not believe that there are "many" lines which produce a proper Mastino in temperament, type AND functionality. I would rather say that there are a "few" lines which can produce such a dog. Quite frankly most people should never own a proper Mastino because such a dog is much more powerful and sadly often also smarter than the owner... Again, I don't know which out dated references you might be talking about but rest assured I am always keeping my eye on the Mastino and his journey. Mandy Lion | ||||
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| | Mandy, Once again I have to question you....as my male is from some pretty hard lines I hear...anyway he's a handfull...I'm sure you could do some research on the boy. Just wandering what lines if any you would choose from these days...if you were looking for Mastini. I'm pretty new, but know a bit about longevity in true Mastini lines. Anthony <script type="text/javascript"><!-- google_ad_client = "pub-8540005283325832"; /* 728x90, created 17/04/09 */ google_ad_slot = "0692574383"; google_ad_width = 728; google_ad_height = 90; //--> </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js"> </script> | |||
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| | I have to agree that they are smarter than we are as they seem to predict everything, lol. Seems as though he can read our minds at times...though, really we're reading his... Anthony <script type="text/javascript"><!-- google_ad_client = "pub-8540005283325832"; /* 728x90, created 17/04/09 */ google_ad_slot = "0692574383"; google_ad_width = 728; google_ad_height = 90; //--> </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js"> </script> | |||
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 | On the German Shephard/Rottie conversation... The show ring has totally destroyed what these dogs were originally bred to do. I've seen shutzund trained GS imported from Germany that are the absolute shet! They are huge sturdy dogs with nothing but attitude. On the other hand, the rotties that I have seen imported, although amazing, are not as big as what I have seen bred here in the states. A German bred Rot is supposed to be a lean, working, muscled up, bad "Filtered Word" machine. Not a big lump of lard like what I have seen produced here. People brag on having a BIG German Rot, but when you see the actual pedigree it's all American made mush. Germany does have some big rots, but they focus on workabilty, not size. SHELLY IRONHIDE MASTIFFS Click This Link BLESSED ARE THE CRACKED FOR THEY ARE THE ONES WHO LET IN THE LIGHT! | |||
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shellydawn wrote ... On the German Shephard/Rottie conversation... The show ring has totally destroyed what these dogs were originally bred to do. I've seen shutzund trained GS imported from Germany that are the absolute shet! They are huge sturdy dogs with nothing but attitude. On the other hand, the rotties that I have seen imported, although amazing, are not as big as what I have seen bred here in the states. A German bred Rot is supposed to be a lean, working, muscled up, bad "Filtered Word" machine. Not a big lump of lard like what I have seen produced here. People brag on having a BIG German Rot, but when you see the actual pedigree it's all American made mush. Germany does have some big rots, but they focus on workabilty, not size. I agree with everything you said here... I believe that the AKC for the most part is responsible for the fact that America produces some of the worst examples of many breeds. The reason for that is simple... For example... In Germany a GSD cannot become a champion of beauty unless it has proven to have the ability, the temperament and the intelligence to perform the tasks this breed should be able to perform. In America all you need is a dog that looks "pretty" and can run in a circle for 30 seconds in order to have a champion on your hands. I was disgusted when I heard that the AKC "honored" our breed by accepting it into their hall of shame. My hope is in those breeders who care more about temperament, ability and power than whether or not they will have an AKC champion of "beauty" on their hands. I believe that beauty (or form) follows function... There is nothing more beautiful than a big and massive Mastino guarding his grounds... And there is nothing more pathetic than a wrinkled cripple which runs into trees because it cannot see where it is going because of the blanket of skin covering the eyes. It seems that most breeders are either on one side of the fence or the other. You have people who say that they are creating "healthy" Mastini... Their dogs usually look like large Cane Corsos with no type, bone or mass... This is the easy way to create a healthy and functional animal. That is the poor man's idea on how to get at least part of what you want. Yes, they are healthy for the most part but are they still Mastini...? In my opinion they are not... Then you have the wrinkle farmers... Those are the people who enjoy the monsters which are crippled by type for the most part. Those are the people who think that a Mastino who can walk for 10 seconds is functional... Is such a dog still a Mastino...? Again, in my opinion they are not. Thank God there are a few breeders out there who still strive to create massive dogs with type, fire, bone and mass... To me that is the only kind of dog that should have the right to be called Mastino. It is also the hardest kind to breed. If we cut corners on mass, size and type we have less than a Mastino... If we cut ability, power and drive we also have less than a Mastino... Anyone who has ever had the honor of living with a true Mastino will never settle for anything less... Because there is no dog more intelligent, loving, impressive, intense or powerful than a true Mastino. Anything less is just that... Less. Mandy Lion | ||||
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| | I much prefer the cage myself, lol [ Edited Thu Jun 25 2009, 04:45AM ] Anthony <script type="text/javascript"><!-- google_ad_client = "pub-8540005283325832"; /* 728x90, created 17/04/09 */ google_ad_slot = "0692574383"; google_ad_width = 728; google_ad_height = 90; //--> </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js"> </script> | |||
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| Mandy Lion |
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| You do realize that this video was not done by me. Some fan decided to put my music to these images. I would have NEVER done this myself nor would I have posted it here to give it more attention... Mandy Lion | ||||
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| | thanx...still like the cage better, lol my apologies for false accusations. [ Edited Thu Jun 25 2009, 05:35AM ] Anthony <script type="text/javascript"><!-- google_ad_client = "pub-8540005283325832"; /* 728x90, created 17/04/09 */ google_ad_slot = "0692574383"; google_ad_width = 728; google_ad_height = 90; //--> </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js"> </script> | |||
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