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Dont mess with the SHERRIFF! | You should see the Working ggroup video....lol Alejandro Gonzalez Mastino Del Valle Grande <script type=\\\"text/javascript\\\"><!-- google_ad_client = "pub-8540005283325832"; /* 728x90, created 17/04/09 */ google_ad_slot = "0692574383"; google_ad_width = 728; google_ad_height = 90; //--> </script> <script type=\\\"text/javascript\\\" src=\\\"http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js\\\"> </script> | |||
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| ccal |
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 | Jim D. is one of the best handlers in the Neo breed. He has over 20 yrs experience of handling in multi breeds. Amedeo is bred by Santino who I consider one of the best Neapolitan breeders in the world, atleast the top three. But to be honest, Amedeo is just not a show dog mentally and also has a difficlut time gaiting. Westminster is one of the biggest dog shows in the world. And I can tell you that the vast majority of judges are just disgusted with the 2008 & 2009 Westminster winners for the Neapolitan Mastiff breed. It has really set our breed back, we are the few who do not consistently place in groups and have never won BIS. They say the 2008 winner is cripple in the front and they say the 2009 winner is cripple in the rear.And they won't shut up about the collar that Amedeo was wearing, they question it to no end? I can also say that the majority of judges wanted to pick Roman w/ Susan as BOB winner. [ Edited Mon Feb 16 2009, 12:02AM ] . | |||
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| Bella Dolce |
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| The problem is the top 5 of the breed who have been shown and earned the points for the qualifying period are invited to Westminster. It says nothing of how the points were earned or the fact there are some incredible dogs out there who are not even in the ring. The judges can only go by the dogs in front of them, so if we as a breed are not putting the best the breed has to offer in the ring then who is to blame here? Don't get me wrong, I've not shown since last August. I guess I too fit into that category. Bottom line, the judges don't know the breed because we are not presenting them with specimins to go by-at least not on a consistent basis. I do not believe the NM was ever intended to be a show dog, certainly not by AKC standards. And if you have ever been to the garden you'd certainly know it was not designed Neapolitan Mastiff friendly. Nonetheless, I congratulate those breeders and exhibitors who are out there doing their best. It's simply a shame more aren't. For those who sit on the pc and criticize, I say get out there with your top notch dogs and make a difference! I think we'd all love to see a great NM make strides in education and Championships in the eye of the American Kennel Club. ~Shani www.belladolcemastini.com | ||||
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| brigda |
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| Guest Gold 0  Spent: 0 | A hearty congrats to all who competed. The Gardens are an amazing venue to show your dog. Jim did a wonderful job of handling, and deserved to win. He had the best dog entered. The other entries had they been choosen would have been good reps for the breed, too. Don't be so quick to criticise how a dog performs at Westminster, until you have shown there. First, it is a benched show, with you dog being cramped up in that tiny pen all day, with thousands of people sticking their noses and whatever else right down in your dog's face. The temp rises and gets unbearably hot for the dog. Try taking your dog to the x-pen, that could take at least a half hour. And don't forget that navigating New York is easy, too. Its very easy to be an armchair quarterback. Jim is a wonderful handler who loves the breed and has been showing for over thirty years. He is very knowledgable and a wonderful ambassidor for the breed to the public and judges alike. If neos are not winning group placements its not because of Jim. Why is it that those of you complaining about this have never shown there? All you have to do is take your Neo out and get him finished, then entered at the gardens. Then do it every year the Neos have been in the AKC. Who out there has done this besides Jim? That is why he is tough to beat. For those of you who show four or five times a year, what makes you think your Neo deserves to win over some other breed that is promoted, groomed, and shown professionally every week? Just like the lottery, you can't win if you do not play. Nobody wants to see a Neo win BIS than me. If you want more group placements then get your dog out there and present it properly and professionally. Bathe him. Train him to be a show dog. Dress like you belong there, too. How many Neos do you suppose are on the "curcuit" as compared to say the Dobermans? Judges need to see more Neos so they can identify the truely great ones.By not showing your dog you are perpetuating the exact thing you are complainig about. Ironic, huh. Sorry, got off track a bit but it needs to be said. Those who were at the Gardens all deserve congrats. Its not as easy as it looks. I was very sad to be unable to attend this year, but hope to never miss it again. And to Jim, CHEERS! Bill Goetz, Centurian Mastini Kennels | |||
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| Latinomasti |
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 | brigda wrote ... The Gardens are an amazing venue to show your dog. Jim did a wonderful job of handling, and deserved to win. I thought it was a dog show? LatinoMastino "I accept my dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that I am truly the best person in the world!" | |||
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| Ulises |
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 | I met Jim here in Mexico he is a good person, about his handling i think he do it great he is a pro, i think that no matter if you are the best if you dont have the proper dog to show your skills, to attend the shows it doesnt mean that you have the best dog or you need to win just for do that, judges dont know the breed and its not fault of the owners because they dont take their dog to shows, the judges are supossed to know the breed standar, many people thinks their dogs compite with other dogs when the only one that they compite is with the breed standar, so if i take my mastino just one time of his life to a show and he is the best that day he deserves to win because he is is not dealing with other mastini or handlers not, he is dealing with the standar. Ulises Ulises Ramos | |||
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| alejandrodvg |
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| Dont mess with the SHERRIFF! | [Jim did a wonderful job of handling, and deserved to win. by brigda) LMAO Are you serious?go watch the video one more time....lmao..... Alejandro Gonzalez Mastino Del Valle Grande <script type=\\\"text/javascript\\\"><!-- google_ad_client = "pub-8540005283325832"; /* 728x90, created 17/04/09 */ google_ad_slot = "0692574383"; google_ad_width = 728; google_ad_height = 90; //--> </script> <script type=\\\"text/javascript\\\" src=\\\"http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js\\\"> </script> | |||
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| Baby Blue [Banned] |
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 | The dog that won........he was GORGEOUS! I would love to own him. ccal said Westminster is one of the biggest dog shows in the world. And I can tell you that the vast majority of judges are just disgusted with the 2008 & 2009 Westminster winners for the Neapolitan Mastiff breed. It has really set our breed back, we are the few who do not consistently place in groups and have never won BIS. They say the 2008 winner is cripple in the front and they say the 2009 winner is cripple in the rear.And they won't shut up about the collar that Amedeo was wearing, they question it to no end? I do agree that the pacing did the breed damage in the judges minds and people watching. I know Jim is a professional handler but the collar was not a professional choice! Showing in north America it is customary to have the collar almost invisable so that you see the dog and not the bling! The dog needs to be the focus! On many judge's lists they are talking about our breed and it is isn't pretty what they are saying. I know on one list I responded in defence, as did Nikki and Mimi. The Dogue de Bordeaux and Tibetan Mastiff breed had judges gushing about them. We live in a time where the media plays a huge role....and it was not favorable and it is reflecting on us at dogshows. The breed is not placing well. Another thing the breed entry has been so small. This was the first year for the Dogue de Bordeaux at the Gardens and they had 15 entries. [ Edited Mon Feb 16 2009, 11:01AM ] Linda Baby Blue Kennels Canada Click This Link | |||
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| alejandrodvg |
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| Dont mess with the SHERRIFF! | Where are these judges list? I am curious to see them. Btw I think the winning dog was gorgeous also ... I like him a lot I just dont see how that type of handling wins... [ Edited Mon Feb 16 2009, 10:41AM ] Alejandro Gonzalez Mastino Del Valle Grande <script type=\\\"text/javascript\\\"><!-- google_ad_client = "pub-8540005283325832"; /* 728x90, created 17/04/09 */ google_ad_slot = "0692574383"; google_ad_width = 728; google_ad_height = 90; //--> </script> <script type=\\\"text/javascript\\\" src=\\\"http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js\\\"> </script> | |||
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| Anacronismo |
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Great Gay | alejandrodvg wrote ... Where are these judges list? I am curious to see them. Btw I think the winning dog was gorgeous also ... I like him a lot I just dont see how that type of handling wins... a mastino shall not be focused on the handler like brainless idiot. The American way of showing is very repulsive and bad for the breed. | |||
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