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| Click This Link Hi all, Anne found a great link that sows a coralation between cleft palates and folates in the pregnant dog. check it out, very worthwhile Cynthia Carman | ||||
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| Guest Gold 0  Spent: 0 | Thanks Carman!!! Struggled with this for 45 minutes!! Seriously, guys, this is a big prob in our breed... Since health is a very important to me, and our future, I read an article in Dog Fancy last night about supplementing with folic acid in pregnant bitches, and then did a search. This article shows a 50% decrease in cleft palates in this study, in those bitches given 5 mg of folic acid. Anyone have any thoughts, or has anyone tried this??? I have a call in to my vet, to see if he knows about this. Anne Centurian Mastini | |||
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| Drooln1 |
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| I have never had a cleft lip/palate in a puppy, thank goodness knock on wood and all tha jazz, but in women folic acid has been the "right" thing to do for awhile now, would make sense for any female to benifit from it, please let us know what your vet has to say I think it is a great thing Heidi | ||||
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| JLBG |
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 | Funny that this thread was started...my parents/family have bred dogs since before I was born (and I will soon be 25) and we recently had our first experience with a hare lip (no cleft palate). Our one Havanese (who has had pups in the past) had two pups on March 3rd. We didn't look at them closely the first day, just checked sex (two females). The next day I am looking at them (trying to think of "names" for them) and I notice that the one has a hare lip. I did all the research online I could but there is really nothing about them surviving. Everything says that they should be put to sleep by a vet within the first 2 days or they will die on their own. Well, we are big believers in letting nature take its course (as long as there is no suffering). So we decide to just watch her closely to see if she was uncomfortable or discontent. Nothing seemed to be bothering her but online it says how other things can be wrong. She was the tiniest pup we have ever had but eating well. Well, she is now 7 weeks old and though she may be very tiny (but now starting to fill out more), my god is she full of life. She likes to "beat up" the older dogs and chase the cats (the cats are all pretty big and terrified of her). She has her teeth, eats dry food like it is going out of style and just sooo funny. Her sister is one of the fattest and biggest pups we have had so it is funny to see the two together. They were named Iris (the big one) and Isis (the hare lip). We call them the 'is sisters and big or little is. We will be keeping Isis as we don't want to give to her someone else just to find out down the road that something else is in fact wrong with her. The vet hasn't seen them yet, perhaps next week, and I am curious to see what he says. Some of the websites say it can happen if the female gets stressed during the early part of the pregnancy but life here is rather dull so nothing out of the ordinary and no food changes or anything since the last litter. And we have never given our dogs supplements (except for Scout who gets fish oil and some others). We won't be breeding the female again just in case but I do hope it doesn't happen again, once every almost 30 years is enough. I am curious to know if anyone has ever had any experience with a pup with a cleft lip/palate and what the outcome was. Jessica | |||
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| carman |
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| Hi Jessica, cleft palate/hare lip is same problem just varying degrees of the condition. Survival depends of how large or extensive is the hole. It can actually open into sinus' or be large enough that the dog cannot protect its airway when feeding. Carman Cynthia Carman | ||||
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| Karen |
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 | I have heard of this before, I only know of one Neapolitan with a hare lip/cleft fortunately the upper pallette was complete, i believe to this day (which maybe 3/4 years on now..) he is still doing well... As Carman says the problem is the degree of deformity, sometimes it is purely cosmetic and can be corrected easily with surgery, other times the main defomity is inside the mouth usually the upper palette, the cleft creates and opening into which food gets lodged, and depending on the degree of deformity can feed into the sinus cavities and the windpipe rather than the gullet... Your vet should check for this as a matter of routine with their first puppy check, he/she will feel the upper palette with his little finger. Karen 'Worry is like a rocking chair, keeps you going but gets you nowhere!' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Homeward Bound Pet Passport Kennels home of Treloarneo Mastini (France) Visit my web site: Click This Link Homeward Bound Pet Passport Sevice: Click This Link | |||
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