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| Rene.e |
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| I'm new here, obviously, and am trying to get my 10 posts so I can view the "General" forum where I can learn more and ask more questions that don't fit in the boards that I am allowed to view. But, I do have a question that has been on my mind a lot recently. I'm new to the breed (have been a Corso enthusiast) and while researching them, I've been looking for breeders and noticing different types within the breed; more wrinkles, less wrinkles. That being said, I have found a few breeders I like  Okay, now enough rambling, lol. With Corsos, for instance, almost every reputable breeder mentions OFA testing that has been done; hips and/or elbows and if the dog has titles in Schutz, Ring, Herding, Conformation, etc. I can't seem to find any Neo breeder that mentions any kind of health testing or any kind of working titles. I haven't emailed any breeders yet, because I don't want to waste anybody's time. But do Neo breeders even health test? Is that a rare occurance? And while I'm here typing, do breeders even compete in any other sport other than Conformation? Or is it like English Bulldogs where all they can do is be a companion and show in conformation? From what I've seen, I'll more than likely stick to Corsos, unless Neo breeders do health testing and sports (I doubt a Neo could do Schutz, but if it's possible for them to do any working sport, I'd love to know about it). I love the breed and the way they look and even like their laziness, but I do want a healthy dog as well as a dog that could do some kind of sport. I hope I made sense  Thank you! Rene.e | ||||
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| MOgJO |
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 | Hey there and welcome to the board. Lots of questions but yes, some breeders test thier dogs. Do they always send them off to OFA or Penn nope. Upon request they will provide u with the information, i am sure. Neapolitan Mastiffs for the most part are very smart animals, but also stubborn. Given correct training could do almost any sport within reason imo. Some have more drive then others for specific areas just like any dog but i have trained one of mine in Tracking, another in Rally. Limitations are up to u and the physical ablities of the dog really. I have seen some owners that weight pull with their Mastini, Protection train, Cart train. Some lines are more healthy then others, i say. But u can find pups from even healthy lines that are a mess. Its all in how the genes are thrown around. I would say one of the most common causes of death is Bloat just like any a ton of breeds. Shantell Shantell | |||
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| alejandrodvg |
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Dont mess with the SHERRIFF! | Hi welcome. I would like to answer some of your questions. First one is the obvious health testing. While many may feel a need to advertise their health testing and in this breed not everyone makes it public but usually many do test and like Shantell said if you asks for such they can show proof of it. While the tests for certain genetic defects are in my opinion a false sense of security for example the OFA cardio which only tests a dog on a certain day. And on that particular day the dog showed no signs of abnormalities it doesnt mean that it will never have them. But thats a whole different thread. As for working titles and sports. If you look around a bit more on this site you will find that there are people in the breed who train for bitework and such... Its not a huge thing since this breed really doesnt need training to defend its owner but some of us do believe its an important training that most dogs should do. As for mastini being lazy ... Well it usually not the dog who is lazy but the owners... I for one can tell you I have not had a lazy dog in the 12+yrs owning a mastino. I have dogs that if you look at them in pics may look lazy but I have those same dogs swimming and running and chasing each other. My dogs live on a nice property and are always happy to go out to the mountains or to the lake. I also have one that loves cart pulling or pulling trucks(lmao) There is also th eone who loves the trampoline and getting on to the roof of the house and sun bathing...The health of the Mastino I think has improved but could still use improvement. I think it sounds like you have your mind made up and thats good I can respect that. I would also say photos are deceiving and the health of Corsos and Mastini are very similar and have the same issues since the corso is basically the spin off from Mastini. I think a good person for you to have conversation with is a memebr John aka Jaboa. He has firsthand knowledge in exactly what you are asking about. Dont be so quick to judge photos... They are deceiving as I said. Many have made the mistake of seeing a dog with less skin and think they are healthier when its not usually the case in this breed. check out the videos forum you may find some interesting stuff...... [ Edited Tue Nov 03 2009, 09:18PM ] Alejandro Gonzalez Mastino Del Valle Grande <script type=\\\"text/javascript\\\"><!-- google_ad_client = "pub-8540005283325832"; /* 728x90, created 17/04/09 */ google_ad_slot = "0692574383"; google_ad_width = 728; google_ad_height = 90; //--> </script> <script type=\\\"text/javascript\\\" src=\\\"http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js\\\"> </script> | |||
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| JLBG |
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 | Welcome! Just a comment on the lazy part. I only have one Neo so far and she is FAR from lazy. She is constantly moving and I wish she would stop some times. Yes, she can't go full speed as long as a more active breed but that doesn't stop her from trying. She loves to run and just act like a major doofus. For the most part, if a Neo is healthy and just plain lazy, look at the owner (as Alejandro said). From what I have seen on here, many owners have relatively active dogs. You can't judge a book by its cover. Jessica | |||
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| BluHouse |
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 | A list of recommended health tests for the Neapolitan Mastiff is currently being worked out by members of the Mastino Health Foundation. mastinohealth.org (We are still looking for volunteers wanting to get involved!) As for working titles... if anyone has any recommendations I would love to hear them. Robin Robin White DVM BluHouse Mastini | |||
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| Rene.e |
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| Thank you for the welcomes and replies! I want to touch on the lazy part.. from what I've read and seen on Youtube, I gathered they were lazy, so I do apologize. All the videos I have seen are of them just being content, happy at a slow pace dogs, but I'm quite relieved that I was wrong! And I learned something new too. And I also want to apologize if the whole "I'll probably still get a Corso" sounded stuck up and if like Corsos are superior because they aren't, trust me haha. But I do like that they can be workedd in Schutz type activites, and other sports... makes them that much more appealing to me. Is there a reason some breeders don't send off the results to OFA or PennHip? And I do realize that the results aren't a 100% promise since enviroment and bad luck can happen, but its still nice to know that after spending over $2K on my dog that the parents are heathly thus the possiblity of healthy puppies. Any more info (until I can get on the general forums haha) is greatly appreciated as well as more info on health. Oh and is it possible to have the links/emails of breeders who do health test? Rene.e | ||||
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| Starrsdcct |
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HBIC | The reason many do not do more working type sports with the Neo is because the old code of ethics for the USNMC was against it. It was changed and that statement left out. But the reason behind it being frowned upon was, this is a very dominant breed. Many new owners don't realize what they have until the dog reaches maturity. With the Neo there was fear that if the owner was not dominant enough with the animal, they might not be easy to turn off after being turned on. There fore that type of training became dangerous. But many are working them now, but the ones doing do understand the breed and have been in the breed many years. As to lazy when they get older in their twilight years they do slow down like all giants. But I have a 6.5 yr old very large heavy male, that can get over any fence if he wants out. I have three dogs that are so active they are escape artist, and nothing will stop them from going over fences. Even the older ones show surprising burst of energy that sometimes is hard to turn off. They are not going to be as agile and as full speed ahead as lighter breeds. But I have never seen one that didnt love his walks or runs. As to the ten post thing, we do that because sometimes we have heated discussions. We don't want people registering with a fake name and being able to come straight into those discussions agging it on, or keeping the arguments going under a fake name. It is just so we get a chance to know you, and to make sure its not someone in the breed just wanting to cause trouble for someone. Some people in the past hid behind a fake name. And that just helps us to keep those kind of attacks down. [ Edited Wed Nov 04 2009, 06:01AM ] Starrsdcct Neapolitans UGM Admin Check out the links below Mastino Napoletano Photos Mastino Napoletano Links Mastino Napoletano Videos Mastino Napoletano Health Mastino Napoletano Chat Room | |||
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| Rene.e |
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| I knew they were a dominant breed, I just didn't know they were that dominant. Interesting. I think my best bet would be to work with them without owning them, like finding a mentor in my area and attending conformation shows to see and speak with handlers/owners. I know I can handle a dominant breed, but with a dog of this size, I don't want to risk the chance that I might not be able to.. mabye I'll check out rescues as well to see if I can foster first.. This is a very interesting breed I must say.. but interesting in a good way. As for the posting thing, that makes sense as to why there is a limit. I wasn't challenging that, btw. Just trying to hurry up and get my 10. Rene.e | ||||
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| Nydia |
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 | Rene.e wrote ... I knew they were a dominant breed, I just didn't know they were that dominant. Interesting. I think my best bet would be to work with them without owning them, like finding a mentor in my area and attending conformation shows to see and speak with handlers/owners. I know I can handle a dominant breed, but with a dog of this size, I don't want to risk the chance that I might not be able to.. mabye I'll check out rescues as well to see if I can foster first.. This is a very interesting breed I must say.. but interesting in a good way. As for the posting thing, that makes sense as to why there is a limit. I wasn't challenging that, btw. Just trying to hurry up and get my 10. Were are you located? Neo Rescue is always happy to accept new volunteers and foster homes are always in demand. Feel free to check out the website, Click This Link Welcome to UGM! Nydia Neo Rescue Volunteer North Carolina | |||
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| JLBG |
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| | Definitely meet as many Neos and Neo owners as you can before deciding to purchase one. Most are very helpful and you won't know what you are getting into otherwise. My girl is my first Neo, I had only met one before her and that one was a great dog. I figured that I had experience with large breeds (i.e. Bernese and a Great Dane), that I can handle a Neo. I definitely lucked out. She is awesome, I adore her but there are times when she is quite the challenge. 99% of the time we live harmoniously. Actually I have no problems with her behavior towards me or my family (as she adores us all) but despite all of the socialization in the world (or so it seems) there are people she just does not like. I have to be very careful with my emotions around her because she gets protective, so it is a good thing that I am not an emotional person. I honestly think if she was in a different home and if the person wore their emotions on their sleeve, she would be too much to handle for them. As for the health testing, I can't speak for others but I did the OFA hips and heart and the results are on the OFA website. There are others that do the testing just with the vet. If they are honest with themselves and others, I don't see a problem with that. Scout moves beautiful, is active, healthy and her x-rays showed good hips (Dr. Allen did the x-rays and definitely agreed). I was actually very surprised though that OFA rated them as good, as from past experience I have learned they aren't very accurate. I think there are more things to look at than just the x-rays, which is all OFA sees. Jessica | |||
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